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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 13, 2010 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I would say that I pretty much love all periods, but not equally. I saw my first show in 1990, and while I don't think the 90's was in any way the band's best period, I do appreciate many of those shows, particularly in 90-91. Surely there is some bias at work there. I also think that Jerry's playing was surprisingly good in 93, though the clear tone is sometimes inappropriately employed. I rarely go to 94-95 though.

I wouldn't write off the whole period because of Vince, but I can understand feeling that way. There are plenty of shows where Vince's playing is either way down in the mix or tastefully understated.

Let the attacks begin..

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 13, 2010 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

Interesting point about Vince possibly being down in the mix. I have a ton of gripes against Welnick and one of them was that he had zero contributions on certain songs (morning dew) Maybe he was just down in the mix. If you know of any good Vince contributions on that tune let me know. it's easy to rip the guy but if there is something out there that merits a listen I'm game (the 12-31-91 show is probably Vince's finest hour- in my opinion)

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

My point is that sometimes it was a good thing that he was down in the mix. Most of the complaints I have about Vince are the tones (which he didn't select, apparently) and mixes where he is way too loud and stepping on Jerry's solos. As for songs where he didn't contribute -- I didn't mind that so much.

My favorite Vince contributions are during shows where he's relatively restrained. The PITB from his first show is fantastic, and sounds very good. But he was spotty to be sure, and had the misfortune of taking a backseat to Hornsby for his first year. I'm not sure he ever really dug his way out of that hole.

This post was modified by snow_and_rain on 2010-04-13 22:09:19

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 13, 2010 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

here's a gig where Weir asks for "more Vince" on Cold rain and Snow. Around the 9 minute mark of the track. Like Bobby said to the fans at Oxford Plains when the wanted Mickey to sing, "you can have it if you want it."

I think this version of CR&S backs your point about Vinny and echoes my thoughts. he has about 5 different sounds on this one song. Straight piano, piano with bells, synth. He's all over the place

http://www.archive.org/details/gd92-05-19.sbd.wiley.7856.sbefail.shnf

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: Apr 13, 2010 8:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

This one is an overall pretty good show for Vinny. Not like he does anything "WOW!", but nice accompaniment. I like him when he plays piano and organ, primarily.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1993-06-09.sbd.unknown.9457.shnf

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Apr 14, 2010 7:52am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Is there anyone who likes ALL Periods 60's-90's Dead?

I'll check it out

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